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		<title>By: Kevin D. Hendricks</title>
		<link>http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2007/09/14/why-is-adoption-so-expensive/comment-page-1/#comment-18943</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D. Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katja,

1. You&#039;re comparing apples to oranges to cherries. Adopting through the foster care system and adopting a child internationally are two completely different things. Different costs, different process, very different. Adopting from Haiti and adopting from Ethiopia are also two very different things, with different costs and different processes.

2. The $500 cost you&#039;re talking about is one step in a much larger, much more expensive process. That doesn&#039;t include the agency fees, the lawyer fees if you don&#039;t use an agency, the home study costs (which are more expensive for foster care because it&#039;s more involved), etc. So don&#039;t tell me you can adopt for $500. 

3. &quot;I just think you are woefully unaware of the discrepancy between what you are paying and whether or not it’s doing any good for children.&quot; We&#039;re talking about my situation of adopting from Ethiopia through my agency in this blog post--I can&#039;t speak to the differences in somewhere like Haiti--and in my situation, I saw where my kid came from, I saw the level of care he received, I saw the schools and hospitals that my fees help support. The money was well-spent, going to good use and helping people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katja,</p>
<p>1. You&#8217;re comparing apples to oranges to cherries. Adopting through the foster care system and adopting a child internationally are two completely different things. Different costs, different process, very different. Adopting from Haiti and adopting from Ethiopia are also two very different things, with different costs and different processes.</p>
<p>2. The $500 cost you&#8217;re talking about is one step in a much larger, much more expensive process. That doesn&#8217;t include the agency fees, the lawyer fees if you don&#8217;t use an agency, the home study costs (which are more expensive for foster care because it&#8217;s more involved), etc. So don&#8217;t tell me you can adopt for $500. </p>
<p>3. &#8220;I just think you are woefully unaware of the discrepancy between what you are paying and whether or not it’s doing any good for children.&#8221; We&#8217;re talking about my situation of adopting from Ethiopia through my agency in this blog post&#8211;I can&#8217;t speak to the differences in somewhere like Haiti&#8211;and in my situation, I saw where my kid came from, I saw the level of care he received, I saw the schools and hospitals that my fees help support. The money was well-spent, going to good use and helping people.</p>
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		<title>By: Katja</title>
		<link>http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2007/09/14/why-is-adoption-so-expensive/comment-page-1/#comment-18939</link>
		<dc:creator>Katja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>State adoptions for about $500 (that most people don&#039;t even pay).  It&#039;s called &quot;Adopting out of the Foster Care system&quot; and it doesn&#039;t cost families very much because the state handles it.  In America, the state can apparently transfer parental rights from one party to another without families paying &quot;the equivalent of a car&quot; so obviously it can be done.

Here&#039;s an excerpt from a New York Times article that describes conditions in Haitian orphanages before the quake:

&quot;The floors were concrete and the windows were broken.

There was no electricity or running water. Lunch looked like watery grits. Beds were fashioned from sheets of cardboard. And the only toilet did not work.

But the Foyer of Patience here is like hundreds of places that pass as orphanages for thousands of children in the poorest country in the hemisphere. Many are barely habitable, much less licensed. They have no means to provide real schooling or basic medical care, so children spend their days engaged in mindless activities, and many die from treatable illnesses.&quot;

So, if this is how the kids were living, does it really take $15,000 to $30,000 to transfer parental rights so they can have a life?

I&#039;m not trying to attack you, I just think you are woefully unaware of the discrepancy between what you are paying and whether or not it&#039;s doing any good for children.  Someone is most definitely getting rich off of adoption.  Maybe you don&#039;t mean for them to, but they are.  

I&#039;m not even hinting that you shouldn&#039;t adopt anyway - the child is most definitely worth the effort, but denying the reality of what&#039;s going on doesn&#039;t help get the adoption system fixed.  That&#039;s why so many people are commenting here.

Link to the NYT article:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35281005/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State adoptions for about $500 (that most people don&#8217;t even pay).  It&#8217;s called &#8220;Adopting out of the Foster Care system&#8221; and it doesn&#8217;t cost families very much because the state handles it.  In America, the state can apparently transfer parental rights from one party to another without families paying &#8220;the equivalent of a car&#8221; so obviously it can be done.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an excerpt from a New York Times article that describes conditions in Haitian orphanages before the quake:</p>
<p>&#8220;The floors were concrete and the windows were broken.</p>
<p>There was no electricity or running water. Lunch looked like watery grits. Beds were fashioned from sheets of cardboard. And the only toilet did not work.</p>
<p>But the Foyer of Patience here is like hundreds of places that pass as orphanages for thousands of children in the poorest country in the hemisphere. Many are barely habitable, much less licensed. They have no means to provide real schooling or basic medical care, so children spend their days engaged in mindless activities, and many die from treatable illnesses.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, if this is how the kids were living, does it really take $15,000 to $30,000 to transfer parental rights so they can have a life?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to attack you, I just think you are woefully unaware of the discrepancy between what you are paying and whether or not it&#8217;s doing any good for children.  Someone is most definitely getting rich off of adoption.  Maybe you don&#8217;t mean for them to, but they are.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even hinting that you shouldn&#8217;t adopt anyway &#8211; the child is most definitely worth the effort, but denying the reality of what&#8217;s going on doesn&#8217;t help get the adoption system fixed.  That&#8217;s why so many people are commenting here.</p>
<p>Link to the NYT article:  <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35281005/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35281005/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
		<link>http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2007/09/14/why-is-adoption-so-expensive/comment-page-1/#comment-18804</link>
		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, I didn&#039;t feel attacked by your feedback, and I hope you don&#039;t feel attacked by mine.  This is exactly the conversation that needs to happen.  It&#039;s not your responsibility to defend the adoption system, but your comments tend to be in the system&#039;s defense.  The point is to have an honest discussion that will hopefully give other people a broad view of adoption from many perspectives.  Recently, I&#039;ve been exploring other adoption agencies in my area and found one that charges 7500.00 plus court costs which will not exceed a total of 10,000.00 for the entire adoption.  My point, in mentioning this, is that agencies do vary in cost for one reason or another. I feel it is important to educate others when you have encountered  a process yourself.  It wouldn&#039;t be honest to communicate the good without the bad. Kevin, I recognize you are speaking from your own experience, but realize that others are speaking from theirs as well.  I encourage you not to get frustrated by the direction the discussion is taking, and celebrate that your blog is being used as a vehicle for people, as you say, to reflect and ponder their thoughts and feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I didn&#8217;t feel attacked by your feedback, and I hope you don&#8217;t feel attacked by mine.  This is exactly the conversation that needs to happen.  It&#8217;s not your responsibility to defend the adoption system, but your comments tend to be in the system&#8217;s defense.  The point is to have an honest discussion that will hopefully give other people a broad view of adoption from many perspectives.  Recently, I&#8217;ve been exploring other adoption agencies in my area and found one that charges 7500.00 plus court costs which will not exceed a total of 10,000.00 for the entire adoption.  My point, in mentioning this, is that agencies do vary in cost for one reason or another. I feel it is important to educate others when you have encountered  a process yourself.  It wouldn&#8217;t be honest to communicate the good without the bad. Kevin, I recognize you are speaking from your own experience, but realize that others are speaking from theirs as well.  I encourage you not to get frustrated by the direction the discussion is taking, and celebrate that your blog is being used as a vehicle for people, as you say, to reflect and ponder their thoughts and feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D. Hendricks</title>
		<link>http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2007/09/14/why-is-adoption-so-expensive/comment-page-1/#comment-18777</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D. Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katja, what are you talking about? State adoptions for $500?

Gretchen, what makes you think I&#039;m attacking you? I&#039;m just trying to point out a flaw in your logic. Do you really think fees for non-white children are lower because the kids are less valued? Or is it because more people want white children? Agencies are just trying to deal with demand and get kids in homes. Maybe it&#039;s not agencies that are being unequal, but parents. Like I&#039;ve said, it&#039;s not perfect.

I&#039;m getting a little tired of having to defend how the adoption system works. 

It&#039;s not a perfect system, it&#039;s not an ideal system, but it&#039;s the system we have in place. Could it be improved? Yes, and I hope it is. Could it be made less expensive? Maybe, and I hope that happens. Is corruption a problem? Yes, and when it&#039;s there it needs to be stamped out. 

But there are very real, very sane reasons why adoption is so expensive. That&#039;s all I&#039;m trying to say here.

If you want to adopt you need to do your research into the costs and find out for yourself where the money is going. If you think it&#039;s corruption is happening, you do the research. 

I&#039;m tired of people seeing the price tag and concluding that people are just getting rich off this. That may be true in rare instances of corruption, but I can say with near certainty that&#039;s not the case for my agency and situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katja, what are you talking about? State adoptions for $500?</p>
<p>Gretchen, what makes you think I&#8217;m attacking you? I&#8217;m just trying to point out a flaw in your logic. Do you really think fees for non-white children are lower because the kids are less valued? Or is it because more people want white children? Agencies are just trying to deal with demand and get kids in homes. Maybe it&#8217;s not agencies that are being unequal, but parents. Like I&#8217;ve said, it&#8217;s not perfect.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting a little tired of having to defend how the adoption system works. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a perfect system, it&#8217;s not an ideal system, but it&#8217;s the system we have in place. Could it be improved? Yes, and I hope it is. Could it be made less expensive? Maybe, and I hope that happens. Is corruption a problem? Yes, and when it&#8217;s there it needs to be stamped out. </p>
<p>But there are very real, very sane reasons why adoption is so expensive. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m trying to say here.</p>
<p>If you want to adopt you need to do your research into the costs and find out for yourself where the money is going. If you think it&#8217;s corruption is happening, you do the research. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of people seeing the price tag and concluding that people are just getting rich off this. That may be true in rare instances of corruption, but I can say with near certainty that&#8217;s not the case for my agency and situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Katja</title>
		<link>http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2007/09/14/why-is-adoption-so-expensive/comment-page-1/#comment-18775</link>
		<dc:creator>Katja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Kevin, I read your entry.  Did you read mine?  Women in Haiti were feeding their children mudpies and choosing which ones would get actual food - knowing that the ones who didn&#039;t would die - because they didn&#039;t have enough of anything to feed everyone.

It takes $15k to $30k in American dollars (translated into a million dollars in Haitian money) to adopt a child who will STARVE TO DEATH if not adopted.

It is now after the earthquake and there are more orphans than ever - so more child deaths.

If the state (in the US) can perform adoptions at around $500 - and they have to perform the same checks on all parties that private agencies do - then why does it costs thousands more to do it privately?  If children in third world countries are starving to death, why does it cost thousands of dollars in US currency to adopt them? 

It costs around 10-30 grand to supply a child&#039;s needs for a year once they&#039;re in your house.  I&#039;m supposed to believe it costs the equivalent to run background checks so I can adopt one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Kevin, I read your entry.  Did you read mine?  Women in Haiti were feeding their children mudpies and choosing which ones would get actual food &#8211; knowing that the ones who didn&#8217;t would die &#8211; because they didn&#8217;t have enough of anything to feed everyone.</p>
<p>It takes $15k to $30k in American dollars (translated into a million dollars in Haitian money) to adopt a child who will STARVE TO DEATH if not adopted.</p>
<p>It is now after the earthquake and there are more orphans than ever &#8211; so more child deaths.</p>
<p>If the state (in the US) can perform adoptions at around $500 &#8211; and they have to perform the same checks on all parties that private agencies do &#8211; then why does it costs thousands more to do it privately?  If children in third world countries are starving to death, why does it cost thousands of dollars in US currency to adopt them? </p>
<p>It costs around 10-30 grand to supply a child&#8217;s needs for a year once they&#8217;re in your house.  I&#8217;m supposed to believe it costs the equivalent to run background checks so I can adopt one?</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
		<link>http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2007/09/14/why-is-adoption-so-expensive/comment-page-1/#comment-18771</link>
		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, I&#039;m starting to think you work for an adoption agency.  Could you at least  acknowledge that (generally) our society places less value on minorities?  Although I am not a minority, this is crystal clear to me. Countless minority children are available for adoption as compared to white children and they wait twice as long to be adopted.  If we are all truly equal, than our actions must support equality. I&#039;m just trying to be honest and make a point that many refuse to acknowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I&#8217;m starting to think you work for an adoption agency.  Could you at least  acknowledge that (generally) our society places less value on minorities?  Although I am not a minority, this is crystal clear to me. Countless minority children are available for adoption as compared to white children and they wait twice as long to be adopted.  If we are all truly equal, than our actions must support equality. I&#8217;m just trying to be honest and make a point that many refuse to acknowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D. Hendricks</title>
		<link>http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2007/09/14/why-is-adoption-so-expensive/comment-page-1/#comment-18614</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D. Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gretchen, the tax credit can also be stretched over multiple years, so if you can&#039;t claim all of it one year, it can be applied in successive years. As always, talk to a tax professional to get the full details. 

In general, I think one of the problems with adoption is when we think about the cost as the &#039;price of the child&#039;. Gretchen you asked what message they&#039;re sending, but you could also ask what message are you hearing? If a lower price to encourage adoptions is seen as a &#039;less expensive&#039; child, that could just as easily be you seeing a message that isn&#039;t there.

All that to say, there&#039;s a lot of controversy in adoption and none of it is straightforward or easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchen, the tax credit can also be stretched over multiple years, so if you can&#8217;t claim all of it one year, it can be applied in successive years. As always, talk to a tax professional to get the full details. </p>
<p>In general, I think one of the problems with adoption is when we think about the cost as the &#8216;price of the child&#8217;. Gretchen you asked what message they&#8217;re sending, but you could also ask what message are you hearing? If a lower price to encourage adoptions is seen as a &#8216;less expensive&#8217; child, that could just as easily be you seeing a message that isn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>All that to say, there&#8217;s a lot of controversy in adoption and none of it is straightforward or easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I adopted our daughter domestically in 2007.  The agency cost was 15,000, but we also had to pay for 3 months of foster care which was another 1200.00.  As for the tax credit we couldn&#039;t claim her because in our state of PA she had to be living with us 6 months to be eligible.  Since then we have claimed her, but the tax credit isn&#039;t instant cash.  It is only a credit against the taxes that you owe.  If you don&#039;t owe thousands in taxes you may see little benefit.  
I believe the adoption system needs to be reformed.  One of the other injustices is the fact that some agencies are charging thousands less for biracial and African American children.  Why is a child of color less expensive?  What message are they sending? As a matter of fact, my sister adopted her son in 2002 and paid thousands less because he was biracial.  Let&#039;s face it the system needs evaluated on many levels.  Private Adoption should be an option to people of all income levels. Just because you pay a lot of money to an agency doesn&#039;t mean the process is credible. Despite my doubts, my husband and I will adopt again because we want more children and adoption is our only option.  Let&#039;s hope the system changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I adopted our daughter domestically in 2007.  The agency cost was 15,000, but we also had to pay for 3 months of foster care which was another 1200.00.  As for the tax credit we couldn&#8217;t claim her because in our state of PA she had to be living with us 6 months to be eligible.  Since then we have claimed her, but the tax credit isn&#8217;t instant cash.  It is only a credit against the taxes that you owe.  If you don&#8217;t owe thousands in taxes you may see little benefit.<br />
I believe the adoption system needs to be reformed.  One of the other injustices is the fact that some agencies are charging thousands less for biracial and African American children.  Why is a child of color less expensive?  What message are they sending? As a matter of fact, my sister adopted her son in 2002 and paid thousands less because he was biracial.  Let&#8217;s face it the system needs evaluated on many levels.  Private Adoption should be an option to people of all income levels. Just because you pay a lot of money to an agency doesn&#8217;t mean the process is credible. Despite my doubts, my husband and I will adopt again because we want more children and adoption is our only option.  Let&#8217;s hope the system changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin D. Hendricks</title>
		<link>http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2007/09/14/why-is-adoption-so-expensive/comment-page-1/#comment-18424</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin D. Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I never said there were no problems with the adoption system. It&#039;s not a perfect system. 

And frankly, we aren&#039;t perfect people. There&#039;s no way anyone is going to be able to set up a perfect system or make adoption cheap and affordable. I wish it weren&#039;t that way, but that&#039;s how it is. No matter how idealistic we want to be (and I&#039;m pretty idealistic), it&#039;s expensive to care for kids and protect their interests and protect birth families and make sure no one is being taken advantage of or abused.

The fact that kids need to be adopted in the first place is messed up. But sometimes life is messed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I never said there were no problems with the adoption system. It&#8217;s not a perfect system. </p>
<p>And frankly, we aren&#8217;t perfect people. There&#8217;s no way anyone is going to be able to set up a perfect system or make adoption cheap and affordable. I wish it weren&#8217;t that way, but that&#8217;s how it is. No matter how idealistic we want to be (and I&#8217;m pretty idealistic), it&#8217;s expensive to care for kids and protect their interests and protect birth families and make sure no one is being taken advantage of or abused.</p>
<p>The fact that kids need to be adopted in the first place is messed up. But sometimes life is messed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, While i understand your position, and am not calling you a liar or apologist, you cannot honestly say there is no problems with the adoption system. The fact that children around the world are dying, and children in our own country are living in wretched circumstances, and yet the only way to save these children is with a huge wad of cash, well something is wrong with that. That is why people respond with such passion and anger, because at it&#039;s core, people recognize that to prevent children from being adopted because of a lack of printed paper from a fiat currency system, well that is just evil, pure and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, While i understand your position, and am not calling you a liar or apologist, you cannot honestly say there is no problems with the adoption system. The fact that children around the world are dying, and children in our own country are living in wretched circumstances, and yet the only way to save these children is with a huge wad of cash, well something is wrong with that. That is why people respond with such passion and anger, because at it&#8217;s core, people recognize that to prevent children from being adopted because of a lack of printed paper from a fiat currency system, well that is just evil, pure and simple.</p>
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