Comments on: Can a State Secede from the U.S.? http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/ Thoughts, ponderings, reflections. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:52:25 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Chris http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-18736 Chris Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:53:38 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-18736 The states ability to secede from the union is one of the fundamental freedoms we have to be willing to die for. The states are duty bound to stand between the federal government and its citizens, if it deems that the Feds are passing unconstitutional laws. It is the last line of defense of liberty. Do your homework people, freedom isnt free. The states ability to secede from the union is one of the fundamental freedoms we have to be willing to die for. The states are duty bound to stand between the federal government and its citizens, if it deems that the Feds are passing unconstitutional laws. It is the last line of defense of liberty. Do your homework people, freedom isnt free.

]]> By: Cajun http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-18192 Cajun Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:44:21 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-18192 It is not a matter of seceding that is required. What needs to be done is to take away the vote of people who have no stake in the matters at hand. Example, if you ask your 3 children what they want to eat, and put it to a family vote, healthy food or junk food, yourself and your spouse will always be out voted and you'll always eat junk food. The same goes for what is going on in america today. Too many people who pay no taxes are voting for free handouts and higher taxes. Until this problem is solved our problems will continue to grow. I often hear that the only way to get us back on track is through gun powder. Another false answer because there is no one to fight but our own. A melting pot indeed... But if you do not have a stake - you should not vote. It is not a matter of seceding that is required. What needs to be done is to take away the vote of people who have no stake in the matters at hand. Example, if you ask your 3 children what they want to eat, and put it to a family vote, healthy food or junk food, yourself and your spouse will always be out voted and you’ll always eat junk food. The same goes for what is going on in america today. Too many people who pay no taxes are voting for free handouts and higher taxes. Until this problem is solved our problems will continue to grow. I often hear that the only way to get us back on track is through gun powder. Another false answer because there is no one to fight but our own. A melting pot indeed… But if you do not have a stake – you should not vote.

]]> By: Kearnj http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-15512 Kearnj Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:12:34 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-15512 The real threat of Secession may be the only way to get things changed in this country. term limits and the weakening of the US gov't by eliminating worthless organizations like the FCC which truly is communism at work. The US derides leaders like Chavez and Putin for controlling the media but we've been doing it for years letting big biz control what we see and hear. How many hospitals and schools could we build and run with the billions that we spend on truly worthless agency. I'd love to hear an argument for the FCC The real threat of Secession may be the only way to get things changed in this country.
term limits and the weakening of the US gov’t by eliminating worthless organizations like the FCC which truly is communism at work.
The US derides leaders like Chavez and Putin for controlling the media but we’ve been doing it for years letting big biz control what we see and hear.

How many hospitals and schools could we build and run with the billions that we spend on truly worthless agency. I’d love to hear an argument for the FCC

]]> By: BillD http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-15272 BillD Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:22:53 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-15272 Secession is an interesting topic, but mostly a waste of time. Things that can be done: establish term limits in House and Senate; require everyone to pay taxes and therefore take ownership of federal and state budgets and initiatives; require minimum competancy test in order to vote; establish a formal job description for the Office of President with minimal equirements to reflect the seriousness of the position. Secession is an interesting topic, but mostly a waste of time. Things that can be done: establish term limits in House and Senate; require everyone to pay taxes and therefore take ownership of federal and state budgets and initiatives; require minimum competancy test in order to vote; establish a formal job description for the Office of President with minimal equirements to reflect the seriousness of the position.

]]> By: DA http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-13949 DA Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:13:30 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-13949 No state can secede without its own people's majority approval and the majority approval of the US congress. Neither one is ever going to happen because all parties realize the dire economic, judicial and other consequences. No state can survive as an independent nation in the modern global reality, coining its own currency, growing its own food (such that it could) unless you want to live in chaos and a barter economy. The exiting state would somehow have to "settle up" with the USA regarding federal properties, assets, judicial facilities, security facilities, etc. If for instance Texas "leaves", I'd want everything paid for by my federal taxes to be refunded/credited back to the federal government -- and you all know that that list is practically endless. Some wingnut Texans "hate" the "marxist socialist elitist homo" USA but they love US dollars from US taxpayers for their roads, bridges, universities, ports, security, parks, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and every other form of milk from the USA TEAT. Let's see what free-market value would be placed on a Republic of Texas Dollar (or peso?) currency printed in, say, Houston. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a big fence around Texas, with strict USA Customs and immigration crossing points into the USA. In the end, independent Texans would beg for US foreign aid. But the biggest reason they would never secede is that they'd have to set up their own Texas Football League and they'd only play one game -- between the Cowboys and the Texans - the Texas Superbowl, and the Rockets and the Mavs would be on their own. No state can secede without its own people’s majority approval and the majority approval of the US congress. Neither one is ever going to happen because all parties realize the dire economic, judicial and other consequences. No state can survive as an independent nation in the modern global reality, coining its own currency, growing its own food (such that it could) unless you want to live in chaos and a barter economy. The exiting state would somehow have to “settle up” with the USA regarding federal properties, assets, judicial facilities, security facilities, etc. If for instance Texas “leaves”, I’d want everything paid for by my federal taxes to be refunded/credited back to the federal government — and you all know that that list is practically endless. Some wingnut Texans “hate” the “marxist socialist elitist homo” USA but they love US dollars from US taxpayers for their roads, bridges, universities, ports, security, parks, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and every other form of milk from the USA TEAT. Let’s see what free-market value would be placed on a Republic of Texas Dollar (or peso?) currency printed in, say, Houston. Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing a big fence around Texas, with strict USA Customs and immigration crossing points into the USA. In the end, independent Texans would beg for US foreign aid. But the biggest reason they would never secede is that they’d have to set up their own Texas Football League and they’d only play one game — between the Cowboys and the Texans – the Texas Superbowl, and the Rockets and the Mavs would be on their own.

]]> By: Christy http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-13672 Christy Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:43:06 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-13672 Hi as it is such a good topic; A state would never be allowed to secede coz if one goes - they will all go cept the ones that are poor you would be left with a demographically balkanised continent & a much diminished USA. Secondly the bosses want more control over humanity & our individual lives not less (Marxism). Freedom was always something that had to be fought over. Why do we think things are otherwise ok right now? We do the work & they take & use our money to further their grip & hegemony over the world. They call it foreign aid. Hi as it is such a good topic; A state would never be allowed to secede coz if one goes – they will all go cept the ones that are poor you would be left with a demographically balkanised continent & a much diminished USA. Secondly the bosses want more control over humanity & our individual lives not less (Marxism). Freedom was always something that had to be fought over. Why do we think things are otherwise ok right now? We do the work & they take & use our money to further their grip & hegemony over the world. They call it foreign aid.

]]> By: Jarrod Headley http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-12838 Jarrod Headley Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:09:10 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-12838 It is no coincedence that the subject of secession is attracting more and more people. For years the conservative majority has allowed liberal courts and lawmakers (supported by a relatively small minority in the most populous urban areas) to slowly push the US toward a liberal (socialist) society. It all began in the courts when judges began to legislate from the bench. Because of the sheer audacity of the current president in his campaign to bankrupt the country in order for everyone to become dependent on the government, people are becoming alarmed. The country is waking up and realizing we have been quiet for too long. Watch closely as cries for secession become louder and louder. While I do not know how realistic secession would be, the argument would at least raise public awareness for the millions who are sick and tired of big government and socialist views. The time to act is now. We have been quiet for too long. It is no coincedence that the subject of secession is attracting more and more people. For years the conservative majority has allowed liberal courts and lawmakers (supported by a relatively small minority in the most populous urban areas) to slowly push the US toward a liberal (socialist) society. It all began in the courts when judges began to legislate from the bench. Because of the sheer audacity of the current president in his campaign to bankrupt the country in order for everyone to become dependent on the government, people are becoming alarmed. The country is waking up and realizing we have been quiet for too long. Watch closely as cries for secession become louder and louder. While I do not know how realistic secession would be, the argument would at least raise public awareness for the millions who are sick and tired of big government and socialist views. The time to act is now. We have been quiet for too long.

]]> By: Paul M. Laperruque - San Diego, CA http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-12824 Paul M. Laperruque - San Diego, CA Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:57:59 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-12824 Very interesting line of discussion. I will have to do more contitutional research, but it seems to me there is another answer. If a movement of libertarian-types were to lead the Republicans back to power in the House and Senate, could they not simply de-fund all of the areas of the Federal government deemed to be a waste? Such as most of the departments (Education, Commerce, Energy etc.); such as any program that is deemed to be extra-constitutional? Such as...good grief, there are too many to list, but you all know what I mean. I pay a way too much in Federal, State, and local taxes, sales taxes, use fees, and on and on and on (pity me-I live in California). What do I get in return? Not much. My ROI (Return On "Investment") is in the negative. I cannot think of one service provided to me by any level of government that is a benefit to my life. Very interesting line of discussion. I will have to do more contitutional research, but it seems to me there is another answer. If a movement of libertarian-types were to lead the Republicans back to power in the House and Senate, could they not simply de-fund all of the areas of the Federal government deemed to be a waste? Such as most of the departments (Education, Commerce, Energy etc.); such as any program that is deemed to be extra-constitutional? Such as…good grief, there are too many to list, but you all know what I mean.

I pay a way too much in Federal, State, and local taxes, sales taxes, use fees, and on and on and on (pity me-I live in California). What do I get in return? Not much. My ROI (Return On “Investment”) is in the negative. I cannot think of one service provided to me by any level of government that is a benefit to my life.

]]> By: Chris http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-10222 Chris Thu, 28 May 2009 20:33:12 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-10222 Neo, Cali is basically bankrupt. That has to be the worst off state in the Union. Scary thing is Obama wants to use their business model for the rest of the country. Us"inbred 19th century anti-science, anti-intellect, ‘intelligent design’ promoting, war-mongering moochers" as you so eloquently put it will survive centuries longer than your "advanced society". If we were self governed those non-tax paying losers would certainly shape up or ship out. We don't condone that behavior, we unfortunatly have to deal with it because of your liberal government policies. BTW. Don't think about protecting yourself with that shotgun. Your government will be making sure you don't have one. Neo,
Cali is basically bankrupt. That has to be the worst off state in the Union. Scary thing is Obama wants to use their business model for the rest of the country. Us”inbred 19th century anti-science, anti-intellect, ‘intelligent design’ promoting, war-mongering moochers” as you so eloquently put it will survive centuries longer than your “advanced society”. If we were self governed those non-tax paying losers would certainly shape up or ship out. We don’t condone that behavior, we unfortunatly have to deal with it because of your liberal government policies.
BTW. Don’t think about protecting yourself with that shotgun. Your government will be making sure you don’t have one.

]]> By: Deeluna http://www.kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-10027 Deeluna Mon, 25 May 2009 08:13:07 +0000 http://kevindhendricks.com/2006/08/08/can-a-state-secede-from-the-us/#comment-10027 The basic requirements for a state to secede and be able to continue on they're own are the following: natural resource (oil farmland, wood, etc.) deep-water ports (oceanic trade) a border shared with another nation. (over land trade) So basically any state that is in the middle of the United States would be pretty much screwed because they wouldn't be able to properly trade since the US would seal them off from the outside world and basically muscle them into rejoining. In the end, the only state that could get away with it and succeed would be Texas. They have oil fields, they have farm land, they even have deep-water ports in the Gulf of Mexico. After that other states that share a border with Texas could do the same but not before due to how much difficulty that would be encountered with get goods and services to where they would be needed. One thing is for sure though, If this were to happen, the industry would jump there because of the changes to the taxing rules. (this was stated earlier.) So would I be there if/when Texas starts the chain reaction? guaranteed. I'd be there now if I could. The basic requirements for a state to secede and be able to continue on they’re own are the following:

natural resource (oil farmland, wood, etc.)
deep-water ports (oceanic trade)
a border shared with another nation. (over land trade)

So basically any state that is in the middle of the United States would be pretty much screwed because they wouldn’t be able to properly trade since the US would seal them off from the outside world and basically muscle them into rejoining.

In the end, the only state that could get away with it and succeed would be Texas. They have oil fields, they have farm land, they even have deep-water ports in the Gulf of Mexico. After that other states that share a border with Texas could do the same but not before due to how much difficulty that would be encountered with get goods and services to where they would be needed.

One thing is for sure though, If this were to happen, the industry would jump there because of the changes to the taxing rules. (this was stated earlier.) So would I be there if/when Texas starts the chain reaction? guaranteed. I’d be there now if I could.

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